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Ἱστορίαι [PDF] ✅ Ἱστορίαι By Thucydides – Buyprobolan50.co.uk The edition also includes fourteen maps a chronology a glossary a selected bibliography and an index The edition also includes fourteen maps a chronology a glossary a selected bibliography and an index.


About the Author: Thucydides

Θουκυδίδης Thoukydídēs was a Greek historian and author of the History of the Peloponnesian War which recounts the th century BC war between Sparta and Athens to the year BC Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history due to his strict standards of evidence gathering and analysis in terms of cause and effect without reference to intervention by the gods as outlined in his introduction to his workHe has also been called the father of the school of political realism which views the relations between nations as based on might rather than right His classical text is still studied at advanced military colleges worldwide and the Melian dialogue remains a seminal work of international relations theoryMore generally Thucydides showed an interest in developing an understanding of human nature to explain behaviour in such crises as plague genocide as practised against the Melians and civil war Excerpted from.



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  1. Jan-Maat Jan-Maat says:

    Towards the end of this book I had a flashback of watching an episode of Mastermind in the 80s the contestant had chosen the Spartan military as their specialist subject was asked being asked by Magnus Magnusson the Icelandic Viking who swooped down from the north to Britain as a child to become a TV uiz host why the Spartans had stopped their campaign on one particular occasion and gone home The correct answer was that this was in response to an earthuake Judging by Thucydides' history that could have been a lucky guess The best way to maintain a reputation as fierce some warriors is not to fight but to be frightening and the Spartans seem to have displayed a rare skill in finding reasons in the shape of a sacrificed animal's liver or a passing earthuake or a religious festival for either staying home or returning thereI found Thucydides difficult to start view spoilerthe translation might have been an issue hide spoiler


  2. Jim Jim says:

    What I love about the best ancient Greek literature is how startlingly modern it could be This is particularly true of Euripides whom I regard as a 21st century dramatist and The History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides The accounts of the Corcycran revolution the so called Melian Dialogue in which Athens shows itself to be somewhat less enlightened than reputed and the utter disaster of the Sicilian Expedition can just as easily be taking place now in remote parts of the worldThe Peloponnesian War even had its own Neocon in Alcibiades He was largely responsible for Athens undertaking the Sicilian Expedition only to be called back by the Athenian leadership for sacrilege Thereupon he made his escape at Thurii went over to the Spartans where he gave them excellent advice in combating the Athenians Then when the Spartans began to suspect him he went over to Tissaphernes the Persian Governor of Asia Minor Later still he returned to AthensI recommend the Rex Warner translation but urge readers to have a copy of The Landmark Thucydides at hand for its numerous and excellent maps if not for its somewhat archaic translation by Richard Crawley


  3. Roy Lotz Roy Lotz says:

    It has been said that Earthling civilization so far has created ten thousand wars but only three intelligent commentaries on war—the commentaries of Thucydides of Julius Caesar and of Winston Niles Rutherfoord —Kurt Vonnegut The Sirens of TitanSome years ago I waded through the Barnes Noble edition of Herodotus’ Histories It was one of the most painful reading experiences of my life I blame 95% of this on the translator GC Macaulay who broke new ground in dry prolix knotty prose The final result was to make Herodotus’ narrative—already full to the brim with digressions and asides—into a tangled mess that gave me a never ending headache However Donald Lateiner’s introduction to that edition was so good that I was left wanting to read of him So when I found out that the B N edition of Thucydides’ famous history also featured an introduction by that scholar I picked up a copy But the memory of the pain wrought by Herodotus still burned It took a few years before I could bring myself to give Greek history another go But I’m glad I did In many ways Thucydides is the polar opposite of Herodotus Whereas the latter is relaxed and easygoing Thucydides is forceful and dogmatic Herodotus is than willing to report an entertaining anecdote to indulge in an aside or to report multiple occurrences of the same event Thucydides by contrast is always on topic never indulgent From the first few sentences one is aware that he is cutting down and refining his material with ruthless precision Every fact that makes it to the page has been culled from an ocean of information; every sentence has been written and re written dozens of times The merits of Thucydides are twofold The most obvious is that he virtually invented modern history—concentrating on political and military developments and keeping scrupulously to verifiable facts The other is his rhetorical prowess From what I’ve been told his Greek prose was cutting edge There is only the faintest echo of this uality in Crawley’s translation which I still liked by the way Nevertheless the History is at times as gripping as any good novel The speeches however closely they adhered to actual fact are without exception masterpieces—both of drama and of political analysis The battles the intrigues the plots the strategies the movements of men and ships—all come alive in Thucydides’ terse muscular writing The Greeks were truly remarkable In mathematics Euclid was the standard textbook for over two millennia; in philosophy Plato and Aristotle still cast their long shadows over the present day; in literature there are few authors whose influence can compare with Homer Sophocles or Aristophanes And now we must add Thucydides to their ranks of geniuses The man managed to set the stage for an entire field of enuiry and do so with a book that remains both readable and relevant after over two thousand years If America suffers the same fate as Athens I at least hope we leave behind half as many great books


  4. Elie F Elie F says:

    Courage in the face of reality ultimately distinguishes such natures as Thucydides and Plato Plato is a coward in the face of reality conseuently he flees into the ideal; Thucydides has himself under control conseuently he retains control over things Nietzsche Twilight of the Idols


  5. Smiley Smiley says:

    35 starsFinally I could finish reading this book after many intervals of being content with what I knew I didn’t claim I enjoyed all of eight book Thucydides’s account Compared to the other history classic of similar stature Herodotus’s “The Histories” translated by Aubrey de Selincourt I think is enjoyable and impressive regarding the world as viewed by the Greek historian in the fifth century BC Contrastively in a smaller scale Thucydides has ambitiously depicted the twenty seven year conflicts between Athens and Sparta with innumerable sieges commanders strategies and so on till we simply can’t help getting confused praying when each book would ever endThe reason why I decided to read it is that many years ago I read some excerpts of Pericles’ funeral oration somewhere and longed to read it in full Definitely one of the greatest orators in history he has since impressed posterity to the extent that few can surpass him as we read from his 75 page oration nos 35 46 It’s a bit lengthy I think for those who would read him for the first time; therefore the following three extracts should suffice in the meantimeFirst his opening statementMany of those who have spoken here in the past have praised the institution of this speech at the close of our ceremony It seemed to them a mark of honour to our soldiers who have fallen in war that a speech should be made over them I do not agree These men have shown themselves valiant in action and it would be enough I think for their glories to be proclaimed in action as you have just seen it done at this funeral organized by the state Our belief in the courage and manliness of so many should not be hazarded on the goodness or badness of one man’s speech p 144Then in praise of those fallen soldiersThis then is the kind of city for which these men who could not bear the thought of losing her nobly fought and nobly died It is only natural that every one of us who survive them should be willing to undergo hardships in her service And it was for this reason that I have spoken at such length about our city because I wanted to make it clear that for us there is at stake than there is for others who lack our advantages; also I wanted my words of praise for the dead to be set in the bright light of evidence And now the most important of these words has been spoken I have sung the praise of our city; but it was the courage and gallantry of these men and of people like them which made her splendid p 148Finally in conclusion I have now as the law demanded said what I had to say For the time being our offerings to the dead have been made and for the future their children will be supported at the public expense by the city until they come of age This is the crown and prize which she offers both to the dead and to their children for the ordeals which they have faced Where the rewards of valour are the greatest there you will find also the best and bravest spirits among the people And now when you have mourned for your dear ones you must depart p 151In brief I think reading this book should inform and inspire its readers on the futility in terms of atrocities of war being those ancient medieval premodern or modern ones till we wonder if there is really peace to all humankind and when


  6. Joaco Joaco says:

    This book is impossible to review but I still wanted to give my opinion on this as I try to do with every outstanding book I come across I mean impossible because this book is the cornerstone for different disciplines mainly History and International Relations This is no surprise as Thucydides was intending to provide a historic account of the greatest war of his time the war between Sparta and Athens while not focusing on any superstitious beliefs Being the first historian he set about trying to understand this great powers struggle over control of the Greek world paying no attention to prophecies unless it impacted the actions of the actors as it usually did with SpartaHaving framed the book on its actual importance I am left with my impressions I had assumed the book was going to be a boring account of ship and hoplite numbers per battle as well as one or two mentions to Greek commanders Obviously I had completely underestimated Thucydides' skills as well as the great job the translators have done since its time of publication I guess we owe Hobbes the bulk of it back on the 17th century The book does have that but it is so much Thucydides was an important Athenian figure during this conflict He was a general while one of the greatest Spartan commanders Brasidas was fighting in Thrace and he lived some time on Sparta as well after being exiled by the Athenians This allowed him to provide insight on the conflict while not being completely one sided Additionally his involvement in the everyday struggle the leaders had allowed him to provide a uniue account on human nature of his time The book immerses you in this conflict in a way that I thought impossible to do You will hear the speeches of the Athenian politicians; you will feel the disgust Thucydides had when writing about the demagogue Cleon as well as Cleon exploits of his fame and good fortune against the Spartans on Sphacteria; you will smell the sea sweat and tears of the Athenians fighting for their survival on Syracuse; all this embedded on a page turning narrative where diplomacy treason political maneuvers and personal traits of different leaders shaped the worldThis is an excellent book that anyone interested in the ancient Hellenic world must read


  7. Bettie Bettie says:

    BABThttpwwwbbccoukprogrammesb05s2pbmDescription 'My work is not a piece of writing designed to meet the taste of an immediate public but was done to last for ever' ThucydidesAncient Greek historian Thucydides' spellbinding first hand account chronicles the devastating 27 year long war between Athens and Sparta during the 5th century BC It was a life and death struggle that reshaped the face of ancient Greece and pitted Athenian democracy against brutal Spartan militarismThucydides himself was an Athenian aristocrat and general who went on to record what he saw as the greatest war of all time applying a passion for accuracy and a contempt for myth admired by historians today Looking at why nations go to war what makes a great leader and whether might can be better than right he became the father of modern Realpolitik His influence fed into the works of Machiavelli Thomas Hobbs and the politics of the Cold War and beyondThucydides' masterful account of the end of Greece's Golden Age depicts an age of revolution sea battles military alliances plague and massacre but also great bravery and some of the greatest political orations of all timeToday With Spartan distrust of the rising power of Athens is war inevitable?Abridger Tom Holland is an award winning novelist and historian specialising in the classical and medieval periods He is the author of 'Rubicon The Triumph and Tragedy of the Roman Republic' which was shortlisted for the Samuel Johnson Prize as well as 'Persian Fire' 'Millennium The End of the World and the Forging of Christendom' 'In the Shadow of the Sword' as well as several novels His latest non fiction book 'Dynasty' chronicling the Roman Emperors will be published in 2015He has adapted Homer Herodotus Thucydides and Virgil for the BBC His translation of Herodotus was published in 2013 In 2007 he was the winner of the Classical Association prize awarded to 'the individual who has done most to promote the study of the language literature and civilisation of Ancient Greece and Rome'Reader David HorovitchProducer Justine WillettMachiavellian long before that book and even earlier by 200 years than 孫子兵法 The Art of War1 War Begins2 From Funerals to Plague3 Spartan Surrender at Pylos4 An Athenian Atrocity5 The Beginning of the End


  8. Phoenix2 Phoenix2 says:

    The Peloponnesian War is something that historicly interests me the most from the ancient greek history so this book was something that I've read with ease In addition the writing is uite understandable and easy to follow


  9. Kenny Kenny says:

    I need stars Thucydides is the man In 1947 George Marshall doubted seriously whether a man can think with full wisdom and with deep convictions regarding certain of the basic issues today without having read this book The parallels between the Cold War and the Peloponnesian War as T describes it are certainly striking My two favorite sections of this book are the civil war in Corcyra which T describes as representative of many civil wars going on in the Aegean at the time and which he would not be at all surprised to learn was a pretty good description also of many 20th century internecine conflicts; and the siege of PlataeaThe sociological insight of the Corcyra section is breathtaking as T describes the values of a society crumbling as its citizens adapt to the demands of a war with no fronts in which every friend might secretly be an enemy and anything is justified in the name of the faction's causeThe siege of Plataea is in T's telling by turns exciting inspirational terrifying and heart rending Both sides show great ingenuity in their attempts to outwit each other; there is a great escape story; and it ends with the battle of political religious patriotic and ethical motives as the Spartans must decide how to deal with their prisonersI could go on and on The point is read it The Landmark edition with the maps and stuff is the best one


  10. Erik Graff Erik Graff says:

    For over three years I was a history major at Grinnell College In the junior year only one course reuirement remained historiography a course taught by only one faculty member That was fine by me until we got to Augustine's City of God which at the time I thought was absolutely crazy and unreadable I've since read it Having almost completed the reuirements for a religion degree as well by then I switched majors and graduated on scheduleAlthough Augustine was unsupportable I very much enjoyed being made to read Thukydides' History as anyone would because of how his seems so modern and objective an accountWhat is interesting in this regard is how uniue Thukydides is To my knowledge no other historian approaches what we regard as serious historical scholarship until the Enlightenment until than a thousand years later Read Herodotos Diodoros Livy or Suetonius to see what I mean Tell me if you can think of an exception The only one who comes to mind is Caesar whose account of the Gallic Wars approaches history


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